Trading Block - Regular League

[Jakaul]

Venom's List:
willing to put up ike hilliard and kevin walter for a decent RB, or a rookie RB.

Dart's Listing
Tony Romo - for a WR!
A RB or combination of RBs for a good WR!

Navus' List:
id be willing to deal eli, or any of my WR for a good steady back

Rev's List:
I'd trade favre or orton for a solid rb

[Jakaul]

Dartagnan Says:



This is what I'm talking about...

Nav, I think you & I can do a deal. You've got a couple of WR2/3s I might like and I'd be willing to send either Slaton or Grant the other way in return. Would either of those two interest you?

How about you Venom? I take it Slaton (with a nice match up against Indi on Sunday) would be your preferred back?

[Jakaul]

Venom Says:


actually i'd prefer owen schmitt but hes the backup fullback for Seattle

yea though

[Jakaul]

Navus Says:


who would u want for slaton dart?

[rev]

I'd trade favre or orton for a solid rb

[Dart]

I want a WR - (for Slaton) someone who's going to average 12-14 points a week.

Grant, Forte or Lynch are also available - but for the last two I'd want a legit #1 WR.

[navus]

I want a WR - (for Slaton) someone who's going to average 12-14 points a week.

Grant, Forte or Lynch are also available - but for the last two I'd want a legit #1 WR.

you want housh or moss for either forte/lynch?

[Jakaul]

I think most of my team is on the market lol.

[Dart]

you want housh or moss for either forte/lynch?

Yeah, you're not the first person tonight to ask about Forte... Thing is he's already got 123 points on the year and goes against New Orleans (hey, I'm a Saints fan but even I can admit our D is erratic... at best), Green Bay (horrible vs. the run this year - and by horrible I mean 27th in the league) and Houston (24th) in the playoff weeks of our league.

So if I was to trade him (or Lynch - who also has a good playoff schedule) it'd have to be for a WR I was really keen on. While I loved both Housh & Moss last year, I just don't like either QB situation this time around. Cassell is way too inconsistent and Fitzpatrick only managed to throw for 152 yards against the Jets!!

I might be more inclined to do Slaton for Moss, but that depends on whether or not you could part with someone like Randy for a rookie RB.

[Dart]

I think most of my team is on the market lol.

Go out & pick up Delhomme or Garcia, move Kevin Smith into your starting lineup for Addai (who is out for 2-4 weeks), put Torry Holt in at WR ad keep your fingers crossed that Chris Johnson has a huge day (which is quite possible).

[Jakaul]

Keep it quiet but who do you think is on my waiver acquisition list? (delhomme lol)

And yeah, I haven't moved my guys around for the week...waiting on a couple notices. We'll see...Johnson should have a good game after a week off.

[Venom]

who do you want for slaton, its not going to be welker or cotchery either.

[navus]

Yeah, you're not the first person tonight to ask about Forte... Thing is he's already got 123 points on the year and goes against New Orleans (hey, I'm a Saints fan but even I can admit our D is erratic... at best), Green Bay (horrible vs. the run this year - and by horrible I mean 27th in the league) and Houston (24th) in the playoff weeks of our league.

So if I was to trade him (or Lynch - who also has a good playoff schedule) it'd have to be for a WR I was really keen on. While I loved both Housh & Moss last year, I just don't like either QB situation this time around. Cassell is way too inconsistent and Fitzpatrick only managed to throw for 152 yards against the Jets!!

I might be more inclined to do Slaton for Moss, but that depends on whether or not you could part with someone like Randy for a rookie RB.
i very well might dart. let me mull it over a little. its funny out of the 4 leagues im in this year this one i have the crappiest team and drafted the worst. I think i must of been hungover to pick what i did when i did lol.

[Dart]

i very well might dart. let me mull it over a little. its funny out of the 4 leagues im in this year this one i have the crappiest team and drafted the worst. I think i must of been hungover to pick what i did when i did lol.

Yeah, it's funny the way that works out. I said before, I'm in 6 leagues. The first two weeks of the season, 5 teams were 2-0 and one team was 0-2... I didn't do anything crazy picking that one team, just the way it goes sometimes I guess.

Your money isn't long enough I'm afraid Venom. Having looked at your roster last night there is no one I'd be interested in for Slaton (not even Welker or Cotchery. If things change I'll let you know.

[Dart]

Venom has just made me think about something regarding trades which I thought I'd share - the important of not over-valuing your own players. I think we're all guilty of it sometimes, but particularly when you're looking at trades, you've got to try to look at your roster as objectively as possible - preferrably with plenty of stats to help you rank people.

Specifically, his insistance that he wouldn't trade Cotchery or Welker for Steve Slaton (a player I know he values). Now the only reason I'm using this example is because it's quite obvious a trade isn't going to happen, there was a chance I wouldn't be discussing it - so I hope you don't mind this Venom but it's the easiest way of explaining what I mean. So, would any of you swap Cotchery or Welker for Steve Slaton this year?

Have a look at the numbers: Cotchery is currently the 17th ranked wideout in our league (according to his points scored). That's pretty good. But while he started out as Favres favourite target, as Coles and Favre have got to know each other better Coles has started consistently outscoring him.

Welker is currently 27th in terms of scoring. Now that's not bad considering his QB situation but it's not all that great from a guy you were hoping would be top 10!

So that just leaves Slaton. Now where would you guess he's at in terms of scoring this year? 20th? 25th? No. Believe it or not he's currently the 11th best RB in our league! Just ahead of Adrian Peterson and just behind LT and Steven Jackson! What's more, he began the season #3 on the Houston depth chart... If you look at the rankings for the last 3 weeks (weeks 4-6) little Steve Slaton is the 4th best RB in the league!

So hypothetically if I asked now, would you swap Cotchery or Welker for Slaton, would your answer have changed?

I'm not getting at Venom with this post, merely trying to highlight the fact that players values change week in week out and season in season out. And while we're all scrabbling around, looking for the next big thing, personally I think it's even more important to keep an idea of the value of your current players firmly in its current perspective.

Anyway, let me know what you think because all this is coming from a relative FF novice. Thoughts or comments welcome.

[Darkmoone]

Lots of ways to look at it. Slaton was a surprise so trading while his value is high before teams learn to shut him down for something more consistent is not a bad idea.

Like when i traded Favre for Witten after Farve had that 6 td game, i got production from a spot that's very limited. Luckily it worked out for me and Revv because he had depth at the TE position the same way you have depth at RB.

I could've easily fell in love with Farve and had dreams of a 30 td season but i have to let reality set in and go with the sure bet.

If you know Coles like i do he's injured every week in practice, hell look at his notes now hes injured again.

[Dart]

True and my point wasn't about the Slaton trade - that was just an example. It was more about understanding where your players are at currently. Welker for example, is a lot lower than I think most peoples expectations. Will he rise? Who knows - but that's where he's at right now.

I'm all about trading when someone is at their high point, but consider Slaton's next two games are against Detroit & Cincy, do you think he's at his high point?

Fact is I think there are a lot of players out there who are being overvalued right now. Marion Barber would be a guy I'd immediately point to for example.

[navus]

i agree with most of the names u said dart, but honestly id say barbers value has gone up slightly with romo out. Now with roy and TO as their 2 wideouts, teams cant stack in the box even more with 3 top notch recievers out there. And dart... you can have moss. i cant stand looking at deuce as one of my starting backs lol


heres an opinion question. in my 2 qb league i have favre/warner/romo. this week warner is on a bye. I can either pick up Gussy frerote, collins, or apparently someone offered me brad johnson for Muhsin Muhammad. I leaning towards just taking collins from the FA pool tho

[Dart]

I love these kind of questions - in fact I was thinking about starting a sort of FF Sunday Surgery for DT guys in other leagues to ask questions which we could answer... but just before I get to that; Barber.

I too agree Romos injury helps Barber slightly, but (and I should've explained this) the reason I don't like his chances are thus: of his remaining games Barber faces the following after St. Louis: Tampa (#2 run defense in the league), NYG (#8), BYE (0 points.. obviously), Washington (#4), then 49ers & Seattle for two weeks (both average against RBs), then back on the wagon with Pittsburgh (#3), NYG again (#8), Baltimore (#1) and finally Philly (#10).

And if you think matchups aren't that important, on average, Baltimore has conceeded just 7.4 points to fantasy backs this season and just 1 rushing TD in 5 games, compared to KC who're averaging 27.5 points per fantasy back each week!

That's my take on him anyway.

Right now as far as this QB question goes you should've said what scoring your league implied but if it's TD heavy don't go with Frerotte; he's averaging less than a score a game and the Bears have only given up 5 passing TDs all year. That said I'd expect him to eclipse 250, so if your scoring is more about yards, he's an option.

Regarding Collins, if your scoring is more TD orientated, he's your guy - only 1 QB this year has failed to throw at least one score against KC and that was JaMarcus Russell. But considering what the Raiders did to the on the ground (300 odd yards) and the strength of the Titans rushing attack I wouldn't expect more than 180 through the air from him.

With all of the weapons at his disposal and the fact you'd expect the Rams to put an extra guy in the box it's difficult to imagine Johnson throwing for less than 220 yards and at least one score, but is that worth giving up Muhammed? It depends on how close your matchup is this week, but I'd say probably not.

As I said, love these types of questions - if you, or anyone else, has any more feel free to throw them out and I'm sure I'm not the only one who'll take a look at them. But obviously, don't ask about the DT leagues because I'll just tell you to go pick up Dan Orlovsky and the KC defense!

[navus]

just read that apparently romo wants to play through his injury. and guess who called to give him a pep talk? another thing to think about is felix jones might be missing a game or two as well. And im not sold on the giants yet. Eli shattered under the mnf pressure against the browns and honestly the giants play schedule so far has been kinda easy.

[rev]

OK, I have a serious problem with this moderation. I list my players that I am willing to trade and I am ignored and not listed in the main post. Someone must have paid to receive this moderation or they are from the UK.

J/K!! heh... I could not resist.

But seriously, give me too much in trade for my shitty players and I will consider it.

[Dart]

just read that apparently romo wants to play through his injury. and guess who called to give him a pep talk? another thing to think about is felix jones might be missing a game or two as well. And im not sold on the giants yet. Eli shattered under the mnf pressure against the browns and honestly the giants play schedule so far has been kinda easy.

Hmmm, defensively I still think they're pretty solid. They got caught cold by the Browns but I don't expect Spagnuolo to suddenly lose his ability to scheme. Yeah, I read that Romo wanted to play last night... Personally, with the amount he's been getting hit, I don't think he'll last in the game, even if he does try to play. But I could be wrong.

And don't worry rev - just dounce your country and pledge alliegance to the Queen and you'll get your block updated by Jak!! Psst - btw, check your IDP team page.

[Venom]

only reason welker isn't in teh top 5 wideouts is because he doesn't have any td's yet, 37 catches... PPR league, remember?

so far as cotchery, its not that i overvalue him, its that i like the guy, i like watching him play, i think hes a hell of a WR, and i know he can break out and have a 3 TD game 2-3 times this season possibly.

[navus]

dart, stop teasing me. and just propose what u want for slaton from me as your bouncing around so much. First you want moss, now you dont. Make up yer mind :P

[Dart]

only reason welker isn't in teh top 5 wideouts is because he doesn't have any td's yet, 37 catches... PPR league, remember?

That's like saying the only problem Braylon Edwards has is catching the ball... Points are points are points and if you count them up, Welker is 27th.

Regarding Cotchery - I didn't know that but makes perfect sense. I feel the same way about Marshawn Lynch.

Sorry Nav, I've offered Slaton in a couple of other trades right now. I'm still not sold on Moss (although he's better than nothing) and I'm shopping Slaton around to see who else I can get.

[Dart]

You are a mod my friend - look at the bottom pane in here...

Please try to bear in mind everything we discussed about what comes with that tag.

[navus]

navus still needs a RB and will trade randy moss for one

[Sh0ck]

dart and dark lose this week. har har har

[Dart]

I can live with it. Gives me room to ditch a few games if I think the 7th best guy will be a tougher matchup than the 8th best come playoffs.

The one I don't want to lose is the IDP game this week... Come on Wes Welker!

[Dart]

navus still needs a RB and will trade randy moss for one

After the week he's had, unless Moss blows up tonight I wouldn't feel good about trading Slaton, Forte, Lynch or Grant for Moss and well, Bush wouldn't be much help to you.

[navus]

After the week he's had, unless Moss blows up tonight I wouldn't feel good about trading Slaton, Forte, Lynch or Grant for Moss and well, Bush wouldn't be much help to you.

thats a low blow right there. you could have just said no lol
:mad:

[Dart]

thats a low blow right there. you could have just said no lol
:mad:

You know what's funny? Of those 5 backs (Bush, Lynch, Forte, Slaton and your man Grant) guess who had the most points in our league this week... That's right, you guessed it - Ryan Grant! 117 yards and a TD. Bit of an upgrade over Darren Sproles & La'Ron McClain, no? And Grant faces Detroit in week 17 - aka our Championship week!

[Jakaul]

First TD of the week man, not sure I'm too hyped on him (obviously, since I traded him to you lol). However, he could just be one of those late starters. If McGahee can keep rolling and Fargas comes back, I might have a decent shot at putting some wins together. Well, minus the receiver corps sucking ass.

[Jay]

Id trade steve smith and frank gore for a night with your mom!

[Jakaul]

Deal!

[navus]

im happy to see jones put up a second week of good yardage. 159 yrds was nice. McClain is there just for goal line carries, and hopefully with bush out my picking up deuce could pay off some.
How about if moss break 20 pts tonight u give me slaton :P

[Dart]

Id trade steve smith and frank gore for a night with your mom!

Fucking Steve Smith!!!

:rolleyes:

So do you want Forte for him or not?

[DOUBLEXBAUGH]

I'll trade you "Steve Smith" for Forte ;)

[Dart]

I'll trade you "Steve Smith" for Forte ;)

OK, but only if I can trade you 'Roy Williams' for Frank Gore.

[navus]

pony up slaton for moss. a 24 pt preformence is blowing it up for him :P